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Holly Golightly
MARRY ME


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Ahh, thanks Cato I found it.

Holly

ETA: Wow, I just pushed it to sixteen pages!

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Posts: 493 | From: Leicestershire, UK | Registered: Mar 2002  | 

Hell's Granny
ALL MINE


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This is my first visit to this thread and I feel like I've walked into a very interesting party that's been going on for the whole weekend.
Can someone explain what it's about? If that's not possible, just tell me where the drinks are asnd I'll get started....

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Posts: 903 | From: South-West Scotland | Registered: Dec 2001  | 

Dark Blue
BE MINE


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I am now an expert in ....Judah's skidmarked undies.


Someone would want to claim to0 be an expert in this area? Can you make much in conslulting fees? Did you need a degree for this? Is it a growth field? I don't know if this is something you want getting out to the genereal public. Reputations you know.

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Posts: 187 | From: AZ | Registered: Jun 2003  | 

Casey, looking in the mailbox
BE MINE


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Drinks? Well, the mighty Church of the Clueless is now accepting members, there's a pretty fair sugar and caffeine powered party going in the Elections thread, and there's a spare coffee urn by the door. Need anything else, call me. smile.gif (93 bytes)

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Posts: 185 | From: Ohio | Registered: Dec 2003  | 

Christopher in the library
ASK ME


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quote:


Originally posted by Hell's Granny:
This is my first visit to this thread and I feel like I've walked into a very interesting party that's been going on for the whole weekend.
Can someone explain what it's about? If that's not possible, just tell me where the drinks are asnd I'll get started....


There's two ways of looking at this thread.

1) A poster named Kyoto (or Kyoko, I keep forgetting which) suddenly and with little noticeable preamble suddenly flamed the entire board and had herself banned. No longer feeling the need to be polite, snopesters began airing their long-held opinions that Kyoko (or Kyoto) was a "confabulist" prone to making up dramatic and profanity-laced stories.

2) The board has long needed a thread in which snopesters can just drop in and talk without having to direct their comments to any particular topic. This thread happened to provide for such a need.

Enjoy the cookies.

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Posts: 1036 | From: Toronto, Ontario | Registered: Aug 2003  | 

megaira
GOT LOVE


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I wondered when I saw the JK/spider comment as well.


Silas, I think part of the problem is that we cross conversational paths fairly infrequently - I generally steer wide and clear of the "hot" forums like religion, politics and science and particularily away from threads that have subjects that include the words: bush, gay, abortions, war, right wing, left wing, Jesus...or anything where the topics may delve into a conversation that includes deep brainy discussions over particular science topics. Those are the ones where I know I'll either end up upset (what I read of some of the abortion discussion touched off a rather primal fear that someday, someone else could legally force me to carry a pregnancy through against my will, so I boogered off) or hopelessly lost. biggrin.gif (152 bytes)

You, OTOH, tend to be around those places and do well in those forums. I haven't been in many active discussions with you all that incredibly often (or at least, in a while) and when you come across as light humored, I may miss it completely because it's been X number of weeks or months since we actively spoken to each other in a thread. This likely leads to inadvertant and unintentional head butting, and I apologize.

I think we both also misjudge the weight of our own words - I didn't see as much anger in my post as you interpreted - I just felt irritated and a bit taken aback. And I missed the humor that you intended completely.

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megaira and ali_marea are good people, whom I admire sincerely, and whom I would never consciously attempt to hurt.


Ditto and it was very kind of you to say that.

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It is, however, mildly amusing that we can have a lengthy discussion of abortion in which no one lost their temper...and angry words were exchanged over willow trees... Only on snopes!


Indeed!!

Where's Tom Bombadil when you need him?

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Posts: 4537 | From: Off the Beaten Path | Registered: Mar 2000  | 

Hell's Granny
ALL MINE


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quote:


Originally posted by Christopher in the library:
There's two ways of looking at this thread.

1) A poster named Kyoto (or Kyoko, I keep forgetting which) suddenly and with little noticeable preamble suddenly flamed the entire board and had herself banned. No longer feeling the need to be polite, snopesters began airing their long-held opinions that Kyoko (or Kyoto) was a "confabulist" prone to making up dramatic and profanity-laced stories.

2) The board has long needed a thread in which snopesters can just drop in and talk without having to direct their comments to any particular topic. This thread happened to provide for such a need.

Enjoy the cookies.


Why, thank you! Is this chair taken? I've bought along some popcorn, would anybody like some? This weather's been strange lately- Oh wow! Didya see that? A classic double fore-arm flip-and-dive! Haven't seen anything like that since Giant Haystacks quit the ring! Yes, thanks, I'd love a cold beer....

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Posts: 903 | From: South-West Scotland | Registered: Dec 2001  | 

ali_marea
ANGEL


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ok, I don't want to look like a butthole here redface.gif (136 bytes) I sent a PM to Silas because I'm shy about stuff like this on the board. I'm not used to butting heads with anybody...except maybe Moose *grin*

Anyway, I agree with what meg said (not meaning to ride coattails)

I think we're all cool with each other. If anybody isn't, give me a holler or PM me or something. I know I can't please everyone, but I try not to make enemies smile.gif (93 bytes)

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Posts: 1343 | From: Pittsburgh, PA | Registered: Aug 2002  | 

My Stressa Valentine
CALL ME


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You know, it has been really interesting to follow the permutations of this thread. From flameouts, confabulists and cookies, to throwing your hands up in the air, to Judah's disturbing photo gallery...where can you grow a willow tree and cottonpicker and maroon and Bugs Bunny; the list goes on and on. Maybe this is what it would have been like if James Joyce and William Faulkner had tried to do their stream of consciousness writing by committee.

I was also thinking that it might be interesting if the Penalty Box had a Hall of Bannination (my apologies to Trogdor on the name). It might prove instructive to freeze that particular moment when a poster crossed the line and headed to that fateful shore. On the negative side, it could just be cruel amusement, or reward bad posters by giving trolls a goal (hey, that rhymes). But I had honestly forgotten Sexion (and never knew what happened) until he was mentioned in this thread.

Great, now "troll goal" is stuck in my head - Stressa dunce.gif (929 bytes)

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Posts: 1525 | From: Washington, DC | Registered: Aug 2002  | 

Christopher in the library
ASK ME


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quote:


Originally posted by It Was Stressa, w/the Candlestick:
[...] On the negative side, it could just be cruel amusement [...]


Why do you say that like it's a bad thing?

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Posts: 1036 | From: Toronto, Ontario | Registered: Aug 2003  | 

Seven Different People
ALL MINE


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I'd just like to say that I've just spent 2 1/2 hours reading this so far (in a library nonetheless) and, in turn with reading the links and searching for previous Kyo posts, I'm only halfway through. This post is going up because I'm leaving in an hour and a half and I just want to make sure that I get a post in this legendary topic (can't do it at home because my computer's broken frown.gif (94 bytes) ). Besides, after the hour and a half I'm sure I'll have an entire new slew of posts to respond to.

-Sevi

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Posts: 748 | From: The Shire | Registered: May 2000  | 

PatYoung
FOR KEEPS


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there are now more posts on this thread than half of the active members have individually posted since they joined slc.

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THUMP, THUMP, THUMP


Posts: 3072 | From: New York | Registered: Oct 2001  | 

24k Kate
ALL MINE


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I bet if we try really hard, we can beat the 788 posts over in the "I believe in God" thread. We'd probably be there now if musician_01 were here....


24k" fish.gif (3888 bytes) "Kate

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Posts: 768 | From: One Door Away From Heaven | Registered: Nov 2002  | 

PatYoung
FOR KEEPS


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we need jpb to whip out his


camera again

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THUMP, THUMP, THUMP


Posts: 3072 | From: New York | Registered: Oct 2001  | 

lilmer8
BE MINE


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quote:


Originally posted by 24kKate, in the library, with a dog:
I bet if we try really hard, we can beat the 788 posts over in the "I believe in God" thread. We'd probably be there now if musician_01 were here....


24k" fish.gif (3888 bytes) "Kate


What about the abortion thread.... 799 and kind of still going. Think that one can be beat?


Posts: 255 | From: California | Registered: Dec 2003  | 

BoKu
ANGEL


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quote:


Originally posted by PatYoung:
we need jpb to whip out his


camera again


With enemies like Cliff Yablonski, who needs friends?


Posts: 1269 | From: Eighty miles away as the crow drives a Volvo | Registered: Feb 2000  | 

Broadway Love Song
MARRY ME


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quote:


Originally posted by Silas Sparkhammer:

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Originally posted by Angl Utterly Clueless Rdr:
I really had no idea "cotton-pickin'" was racist in origin. Makes sense, somewhat.

I, too, have used it as a fake swear word. I find the real ones are more effective, however.


My favorite "fake" cuss words were from the old comic strip "Rick O'Shay" by Stan Lynde. You'd get such gems as "Son of a Badger!" and "Schmird!"

I also find that some minerological terms make very effective cuss-words. "Schist! Chert! Karst!"

Silas ("stick that in your strike-thrust fault") Sparkhammer


I'm particularly fond of FRELL, from Farscape. The funny thing is that I have never, ever seen Farscape, but my friend loves it, and she got me to start using that word. (Kind of like how I worked GLURGE into my mom's vocabulary and she has never been here.)

Then there's Schimmelpennick. It's the name of a Dutch cigarette company or something... I got it from a little cigarette tin that I bought from my great aunt at a yard sale because I thought it was such a cool word. It's fun to say. Schimmelpennick! Schimmelpennick!

And, hey, can I join the Church of the Clueless? I'll bring girl scout cookies and pizza!

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Posts: 431 | From: State of Denial | Registered: Jan 2001  | 

Seven Different People
ALL MINE


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There! Finished in time! Granted, I skimmed the last two pages, but still. 'Tis a lot of posts.

About Kyo: Whatever. This thread is about much more than that alleged... erm, person. I feel so much more enlightened than I have before I opened it. I'll be straight up- I want in the Church of the Clueless. I may have no cookies readily available, but how about a quick cookie hymn?

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COOKIE-PICKIN' MAROONS (YA MORON)
Oh we're just a bunch of cookie-picking maroons
But that doesn't necissarily make us racist in any way
Here are your cookies from the Church of the Clueless
Now we just want you to go away

Oh great cookie we sing to thee
Oh great cookie we hail to thee
Oh great cookie we we love thee
But we dare not eat thee
Until we find us some milk.


So? Am I in?

-"I could be the pastor of obliviousness!" Sevi

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Posts: 748 | From: The Shire | Registered: May 2000  | 

tagurit
IT'S LOVE


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quote:


Originally posted by tagurit:
Aye. Right you are, Bufungla. Thanks.


Thanks to Warlock, also. Sorry, I somehow missed your post.

Thanks, Brad. Now I've got that blasted song stuck in my head!

tag it was down in l'weeziana...just about a mile from texarkanna....in them old...cotton fields back home... urit

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Posts: 5837 | From: Michigan | Registered: Mar 2000  | 

Dark Chocolate Dan
EZ 2 LOVE


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quote:


Originally posted by lilmer8:

quote:


Originally posted by 24kKate, in the library, with a dog:
I bet if we try really hard, we can beat the 788 posts over in the "I believe in God" thread. We'd probably be there now if musician_01 were here....


24k" fish.gif (3888 bytes) "Kate


What about the abortion thread.... 799 and kind of still going. Think that one can be beat?


The biggest thread was the "Another Questions Game" that used to be in the UL Contest #7 with 987 posts. It's long gone now.

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Posts: 2256 | From: A town named after a foot tall waterfall | Registered: Oct 1492  | 

Tabby, sailing the Grace/Luke 'ship
ANGEL


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quote:


Originally posted by Mur(uti)der for Hire:
Gee, now that Kyoko & Spider in the ointment are both gone, the seedier side of me wonders if they're going to get together & have some massive post about how her kittens were killed by british invaders re-enacting the Battle of Sterling Bridge. Ok, I *really* need to go to bed now. fish.gif (3888 bytes)


No, they were killed by fluoride. Because they were Scottish.

-Tabby
the princess with claws

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Posts: 1231 | From: Tucson, AZ | Registered: Apr 2002  | 

Mama Duck
DEAR ONE


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quote:


Originally posted by Tabby, in the classroom with claws:
No, they were killed by fluoride. Because they were Scottish.

-Tabby
the princess with claws


You're very lucky I wasn't drinking anything when I read that. Could been YOMANK,Moniter,CPU,Desk,Phone, and Caddy.

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Posts: 1939 | From: almost the desert | Registered: Oct 2001  | 

tagurit
IT'S LOVE


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I really liked JK Will and I miss him. He was not in the same category as Kyoko, AFAIC.

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Posts: 5837 | From: Michigan | Registered: Mar 2000  | 

Christie
FOR YOU


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quote:


Originally posted by tagurit:
I really liked JK Will and I miss him. He was not in the same category as Kyoko, AFAIC.


I guess you never got on his bad side wink.gif (135 bytes) . I do kind of miss him though, we haven't had a good "British Royal Family are No Better than Pond Scum" thread in ages.

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Posts: 3560 | From: Canada | Registered: Nov 2001  | 

tagurit
IT'S LOVE


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quote:


Originally posted by Christie:

quote:


Originally posted by tagurit:
I really liked JK Will and I miss him. He was not in the same category as Kyoko, AFAIC.


I guess you never got on his bad side wink.gif (135 bytes) . I do kind of miss him though, we haven't had a good "British Royal Family are No Better than Pond Scum" thread in ages.


No, I suppose I never did get on his bad side. I ignored some of his posts, though. Just like I ignore some of other people's posts.

I should add, I was responding to Muruti's post, not Tabby's and Mama Duck's.

tag

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Posts: 5837 | From: Michigan | Registered: Mar 2000  | 

Silas Sparkhammer
LOVE ME


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quote:


Originally posted by Broadway didn't do it:
Then there's Schimmelpennick. It's the name of a Dutch cigarette company or something... I got it from a little cigarette tin that I bought from my great aunt at a yard sale because I thought it was such a cool word. It's fun to say. Schimmelpennick! Schimmelpennick!




I use "Kricfalusi" as a cuss word now and then... John Kricfalusi is the guy who created Ren & Stimpy... I don't think he'd be too angry to learn that his name is in the air when I hit my thumb with a hammer...

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And, hey, can I join the Church of the Clueless? I'll bring girl scout cookies and pizza!


Pizza! But pizza is...un-cookie! It is anti-cookie! It is a-cookie!

So, like, sure! Love the stuff!

Silas ("when come back bring pie") Sparkhammer

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Posts: 7973 | From: San Diego, CA, USA | Registered: Sep 2000  | 

Christie
FOR YOU


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quote:


Originally posted by tagurit:

quote:


Originally posted by Christie:

quote:


Originally posted by tagurit:
I really liked JK Will and I miss him. He was not in the same category as Kyoko, AFAIC.


I guess you never got on his bad side wink.gif (135 bytes) . I do kind of miss him though, we haven't had a good "British Royal Family are No Better than Pond Scum" thread in ages.


No, I suppose I never did get on his bad side. I ignored some of his posts, though. Just like I ignore some of other people's posts.

I should add, I was responding to Muruti's post, not Tabby's and Mama Duck's.

tag


I think I got sucked into some arguments with JK because he was so *OTT nasty* about some things that I felt very strongly about. Not the British Royal Family incidentally but other things.

And of course there was the time he directed me to all the finer slums of Glasgow when I asked for tourist tips. I can laugh now...

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Posts: 3560 | From: Canada | Registered: Nov 2001  | 

tagurit
IT'S LOVE


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quote:


Originally posted by Christie:
I think I got sucked into some arguments with JK because he was so *OTT nasty* about some things that I felt very strongly about. Not the British Royal Family incidentally but other things.


What is OTT?

quote:


And of course there was the time he directed me to all the finer slums of Glasgow when I asked for tourist tips. I can laugh now...


Oh, forgive me. I cracked up when I read that. Did he really? Well, you know, there are some great bars and pubs in some of the lesser neighborhoods in Detroit and sometimes people that go into Detroit often recommend them to people that never go into Detroit, sometimes with disastrous results. Once some friends who had never been in Detroit were directed to a bar in the warehouse district and witnessed someone shot and murdered [in a drive-by] as they were leaving [the bar]. Scared them out of their wits.

tag

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Posts: 5837 | From: Michigan | Registered: Mar 2000  | 

Christie
FOR YOU


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quote:


Originally posted by tagurit:

quote:


Originally posted by Christie:
I think I got sucked into some arguments with JK because he was so *OTT nasty* about some things that I felt very strongly about. Not the British Royal Family incidentally but other things.


What is OTT?

quote:


And of course there was the time he directed me to all the finer slums of Glasgow when I asked for tourist tips. I can laugh now...


Oh, forgive me. I cracked up when I read that. Did he really? Well, you know, there are some great bars and pubs in some of the lesser neighborhoods in Detroit and sometimes people that go into Detroit often recommend them to people that never go into Detroit, sometimes with disastrous results. Once some friends who had never been in Detroit were directed to a bar in the warehouse district and witnessed someone shot and murdered [in a drive-by] as they were leaving [the bar]. Scared them out of their wits.

tag


Sorry, OTT means Over The Top (at least to me).

The slums in Glasgow was an odd one because he listed all these places with lovely romantic sounding names and then Dara posted a "JK you naughty boy" post and spoiled his fun. I always wondered if he would have told me himself or waited for my outraged post after I came back confused.gif (110 bytes) .

Now that I think of it though, sometimes JK and I really were on the same page about stuff, not often its true, but sometimes. And he could be very funny when he wasn't grinding those axes of his anyway.

Dammit I think I really do miss him smile.gif (93 bytes) .

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Posts: 3560 | From: Canada | Registered: Nov 2001  | 

24k Kate
ALL MINE


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quote:


Originally posted by Silas Sparkhammer:

quote:


Originally posted by Broadway didn't do it:

And, hey, can I join the Church of the Clueless? I'll bring girl scout cookies and pizza!


Pizza! But pizza is...un-cookie! It is anti-cookie! It is a-cookie!

So, like, sure! Love the stuff!

Silas ("when come back bring pie") Sparkhammer


Pizza is round. Cookies are round. Therefore, pizza is (are?) cookies!

24k"grammer book please!"Kate

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Posts: 768 | From: One Door Away From Heaven | Registered: Nov 2002  | 

tagurit
IT'S LOVE


icon217.gif (193 bytes) posted    

quote:


Originally posted by Christie:
Dammit I think I really do miss him smile.gif (93 bytes) .


smile.gif (93 bytes) Me too....

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Posts: 5837 | From: Michigan | Registered: Mar 2000  | 

Christopher in the library
ASK ME


icon01.gif (183 bytes) posted    

quote:


Originally posted by Seven Different People:

quote:


COOKIE-PICKIN' MAROONS (YA MORON)
Oh we're just a bunch of cookie-picking maroons
But that doesn't necissarily make us racist in any way
Here are your cookies from the Church of the Clueless
Now we just want you to go away

Oh great cookie we sing to thee
Oh great cookie we hail to thee
Oh great cookie we we love thee
But we dare not eat thee
Until we find us some milk.


So? Am I in?

-"I could be the pastor of obliviousness!" Sevi


And so was born the first Church of the Clueless hymn.

And sure you're in.

I guess.

Watch out for the dogs.

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Posts: 1036 | From: Toronto, Ontario | Registered: Aug 2003  | 

tagurit
IT'S LOVE


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quote:


Originally posted by Christopher in the library:

quote:


Originally posted by Seven Different People:

quote:


COOKIE-PICKIN' MAROONS (YA MORON)
Oh we're just a bunch of cookie-picking maroons
But that doesn't necissarily make us racist in any way
Here are your cookies from the Church of the Clueless
Now we just want you to go away

Oh great cookie we sing to thee
Oh great cookie we hail to thee
Oh great cookie we we love thee
But we dare not eat thee
Until we find us some milk.


So? Am I in?

-"I could be the pastor of obliviousness!" Sevi


And so was born the first Church of the Clueless hymn.

And sure you're in.

I guess.

Watch out for the dogs.


lol.gif (656 bytes) That darn Brad got "Cotton Fields" stuck in my head so I went out looking for a midi file to sing it to. After playing it a few times, I began playing some of the other selections on the site. So, just about the time I come back here, I've got "The Entertainer" playing. Now, I'm singing Sevi's hymn to that! Appropriate, I suppose.

tag
Edit: You think it's easy singing Sevi's hymn to "The Entertainer?" Huh?

*someone tosses tag a cookie*

Yer darn straight!

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Posts: 5837 | From: Michigan | Registered: Mar 2000  | 

bruce down under
MARRY ME


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Try singing it to the tune of the Gilligan's Island theme. Doesn't quite scan but some slight re-wording might fix it.

Bruce Down Under


Posts: 394 | From: Australia | Registered: Feb 2000  | 

Barns & No Bull
ALL MINE


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quote:


Originally posted by Christopher in the library:
Watch out for the dogs.


Yeah, them bitches will tear your cat apart!


Posts: 639 | From: Chicago | Registered: Dec 2002  | 




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