AFAIK, Kyoto is the city and Kyoko
the first name, but in this poster's case, it might very well be neither. I have been
known to cringe when people misspell my last name (it's Lemoine, not LeMoine or Le Moine),
I'm surprised that someone with such a short temper would not even notice and ask for a
rectification.
This is also strange. The character's name in Maison Ikkoku is
Otonashi, not Otenoshi. Granted, I don't speak Japanese, but I don't think the same name
could be transcribed (is this a real word, btw?) in these two different-sounding ways.
And speaking of inconsistency, I seem to remember a recent post in which she said she
regretted having voted for Bush in 2000... also surprising for someone aged only 19. (But
I can't find this post, so perhaps I'm mixing it up with someone else, in which case I
apologize for the confusion.)
The Fourth "I didn't think you could also debunk other posters" Man
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Posts:
18 | From: Paris, France | Registered: Jan 2004 |
Originally posted by tagurit:
I'm no expert, but I would say, fling up your hands...and pass the cookies!
By the way, flinging up your hands filled with cookies is one of the best ways of passing
them, but it sometimes annoys Christopher. [/QB]
Whee - and with great joy, hands
were flung in the air, sending forth great gouts of cookies (except one reverently handed
to Chrisopher).
If I ever doubt the "callings of the blood" [name that movie] or have doubts of
faith, I can read the beginings of the tale in A Hobbit Breaks-up at the Rock Concert.
And throughout the rest of my life, I can bask in the glow of knowledge that no UL will be
debunked before its time, and that I can always read The Fellowship of the Cat
Murderer; The Two Troubles with Little Brother; and The Return of the Viet Nam Vet to
see the compassion and caring of of fellow church memebers as they go about their
ministries to the unknowing, unwilling or unheeding!
War "with all due credit to Ranger Dog" lok
Ok, Ok - I'll do it:
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Inconceivable
Posts:
1570 | From: Somewhere in here | Registered: Oct 2001
|
Originally posted by tagurit:
I'm no expert, but I would say, fling up your hands...and pass the cookies!
By the way, flinging up your hands filled with cookies is one of the best ways of passing
them, but it sometimes annoys Christopher.
Whee - and with great joy, hands
were flung in the air, sending forth great gouts of cookies (except one reverently handed
to Chrisopher).
If I ever doubt the "callings of the blood" [name that movie] or have doubts of
faith, I can read the beginings of the tale in A Hobbit Breaks-up at the Rock Concert.
And throughout the rest of my life, I can bask in the glow of knowledge that no UL will be
debunked before its time, and that I can always read The Fellowship of the Cat
Murderer; The Two Troubles with Little Brother; and The Return of the Viet Nam Vet to
see the compassion and caring of of fellow church memebers as they go about their
ministries to the unknowing, unwilling or unheeding!
War "with all due credit to Ranger Dog" lok
Ok, Ok - I'll do it: [/QB]
Warlock, YOMANK!
Morrigan
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Sittin' here, readin' my heart out waitin', waitin' for some lover to call...
Michael Ball-Live At the Royal Alber Hall
Posts:
657 | From: Michigan | Registered: Mar 2001 |
Originally posted by 24kKate, in
the library, with a dog: Baptism by scalding is not the way of the Church!
Thank you sistern Kate. We strive
not to encroach the copyright domains of other Churches. That particular sacrament is the
exclusive intellectual property of the Church of Mikkeedees.
was it really just a case
of "benefit of the doubt" and "apply sympathy just in case"?
As I mentioned in my previous
post, I thought these things would be possble if Kyoko was somehow creating an environment
where these events might happen. For instance, with the Vietnam Vet, I thought it might be
possible that she out-and-out antagonized the person in some way. With the cat, I thought
maybe she tossed the darn thing into her neighbor's yard on purpose to create a crisis.
It seems like many of the confabulators I've seen here drift off pretty quickly (like
within weeks) at even the suggestion that they're not believeable. I guess subconciously
saw Kyoko's tenure and post count as a sign of some kind of credibility. In hindsight,
that was pretty dumb of me.
When you get right down to it, I think I'd never considered confronting her because I
think accusing someone of lying is a pretty serious charge. I'd have to have some very
concrete proof before I would ever do that - and it's almost impossible to find that on a
message board where anonymity is such a powerful shield.
Oh, and BTW, Macheath - I always think you have interesting things to say.
RangerDog, I totally snorted coffee out my nose at:
quote:
The Saga of the Viet Nam Vet, Breakup at the Rock Concert, (or Why I am Gay) The Trouble With Little Brother
and her best selling Cat murderer!!
Priceless!
And just one final slight nitpick - I don't think the occasional Munchousen-ers have all
necessarily been girls.
-Laura "glad I flattered Trollface, he deserves it"2
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Keeper of COTSA's Techno-God/Love Slave
Posts:
459 | From: The Land of Beer & Cheese | Registered: Sep 2002
|
Originally posted by Col. Furious: If we coin the term "to pull a kyoko," I think it's only fair that we
also create "to pull a phosdex."
The definition of the latter should be pretty obvious.
I clicked on the link. I must be missing something. I don't get it.
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Remember no matter how many Tootsie Rolls you have, you should fear bears. They're
nature's fish-slapping tanks--they're not going massage your nipples and lead you to the
gingerbread butterscotch meadow.
I'm another one who pretty-much
believed Kyoko when she posted her series of OTT misfortunes. I do know people in RL who
seem to attract disaster -- but at least part of the responsibility is theirs. I thought
this might be true in Kyoko's case, because of the hysterical tone she often seemed to
take over the most trivial things.
Of course, there's also the fact that I'm quite gullible and trusting even in RL, so I'm
all the more so online. That's why I was so quick to join the Church of the Clueless -- I
feel at home there!
-- Sister Mama Boid, ritually throwing up her hands
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It takes a sexually stimulated man to make a chicken affectionate.
Posts:
558 | From: Central Illinois USA | Registered: Feb 2002
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Originally posted by The Great
Mouse Detective: I clicked on the link. I must be missing something. I
don't get it.
Read his posts. Just about every
post is the same - ostentatious pseudo-intellectualism intended to entice you into
clicking on the link to his site. Every post is a plug.
Originally posted by laura
Clue-Simpson's Version: And just one final slight nitpick - I don't think the occasional Munchousen-ers
have all necessarily been girls.
I'd like to pick that nit too, but
I can't think of a single male. Can you?
I think it's a mostly female thing, actually. Not all female behavior is honorable and
worthy. Though most of it is.
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Explore, enjoy and protect the planet
Posts:
5837 | From: Michigan | Registered: Mar 2000 |
I'll give Iludium credit though...
when he's apparently "on his meds", his posts are very good. "Shameless
plugging" isn't nearly the same as "Here's magnifying glass! Look at ME,
Monty!"
Originally posted by Christie:
Ed. Oh I also responded in the profane laced one where she was supposed to bring her
wayward brother and her parents back together. That was the last straw one for me, it
sounded so much like a chapter in a novel that she was writing and was trying out on us
for our reactions.
Oh wow -- I'd forgot that one.
Actually, here's where I get to don my own gullible hat, because I never suspected that
one was false. Of course, that was probably the first post of hers that I'd ever read (I
didn't even realise that was her until you said so), so I had no reason to think there was
anything more suspect than a person making their family life entirely too complicated
(also, I know another Asian girl who has similar family problems who is not a
confabulator, so I probably thought it was a cultural thing -- :Cato smacks own hand:)
Posts:
1143 | From: 51.38 N, 2.35 W (ish) | Registered: Oct 2002
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Originally posted by hambubba
doesn't have this: I'll give Iludium credit though... when he's apparently "on his meds",
his posts are very good. "Shameless plugging" isn't nearly the same as
"Here's magnifying glass! Look at ME, Monty!"
ham " " bubba
WOW Ham ... you updated the Book
of Allison quick!
Have another cookie!
Warlok
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Inconceivable
Posts:
1570 | From: Somewhere in here | Registered: Oct 2001
|
Originally posted by laura
Clue-Simpson's Version: And just one final slight nitpick - I don't think the occasional Munchousen-ers
have all necessarily been girls.
I'd like to pick that nit too, but
I can't think of a single male. Can you?
I think it's a mostly female thing, actually. Not all female behavior is honorable and
worthy. Though most of it is.
Just to get really into these
conspiracy theory-isms it's possible that some of these females were actually males in
*real life*. I would imagine masqurading as an angst ridden girl is far more satisfying in
some regards than showing your true angst ridden boy-ness.
-------------------- Mrs Darwin
15th April 1852- Went to the zoo- I said to Him...
There's something about that chimpanzee over there that reminds me of you... Carol Ann
Duffy
Posts:
1808 | From: London, UK | Registered: Feb 2003 |
Originally posted by laura
Clue-Simpson's Version: And just one final slight nitpick - I don't think the occasional Munchousen-ers
have all necessarily been girls.
I'd like to pick that nit too, but
I can't think of a single male. Can you?
I think it's a mostly female thing, actually. Not all female behavior is honorable and
worthy. Though most of it is.
Actually, I kind of can. But I'm not going mention names (and some I couldn't even
put a name with the posts if I tried). I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings or start any
flame wars. And like I said in my previous post, I would never openly confront anyone of
that sort of thing without proof. (Kyoko is an exception - she's opened herself up to any
and all shots with the OP, IMO.)
But I do agree with you that it's much more common that the drama queens are
female.
Laura "going to stop stirring up trouble now"2
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Posts:
459 | From: The Land of Beer & Cheese | Registered: Sep 2002
|
Originally posted by CatoSH:
2. Judah -- I agree -- you were ruder to her than anyone else and I think it's disgraceful
that she didn't give you so much as a nudge or wink of acknowledgement -- gratitude eh?
Yeah, its not like Im asking for a
whole paragraph or anything. Just throw this dog a bone. Thats all I ask.
Judah, I promise. If I ever go
batshit insane and quit this forum in a blaze of epithet spitting glory, I'll give you a
shout out in my ranting soliloquy.
I may even call you a cockass. How does that sound?
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No rest for the wicked. Not even the extremely wicked.
Posts:
1115 | From: WCW Special Forces | Registered: May 2003
|
Originally posted by Tabby, in the
classroom with claws: She is, however, mistaken. Professor Walsh was the "Evil Bitchmonster of
Death."
Well, heck. I had to pop in the
DVD to be sure, and right you are.
All hail Tabbyclaw, Queen of all
things Buffy!
Ranger Dog, count me among the multitudes to whom you OANK.
I've seen some flameouts before but nothing of this magnitude. And I think this is the
first time I've ever read a seven page (and still going) thread in its entirety.
-------------------- The very fear that makes you want to die / Is just the same as what keeps you alive
Posts:
816 | From: The Soccer Capital of America | Registered: Sep 2002
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Originally posted by Lamuella: Judah, I promise. If I ever go batshit insane and quit this forum in a blaze of
epithet spitting glory, I'll give you a shout out in my ranting soliloquy.
I may even call you a cockass. How does that sound?
I would expect nothing less.
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"Although I laugh and I act like a clown
Beneath this mask I am wearing a frown
My tears are falling like rain from the sky
Is it for her or myself that I cry?
Im a loser and Im not what I appear to be"
I have been walking in a dark room with a failing flashlight. The type of flashlight you
have to hit the bottom of in order to get a dim beam of light to highlight a outline or
two in the room. Then TADA a bright light begins to shine from above. It takes a while for
my eyes to adjust, but when they do I realize it is the light from The Church of the
Clueless (the soothing sound of the singing voices from the Angels of the Church of
the Clueless are echoing in the room). I was lost and now I am found. Perfect timing too,
I just pulled a patch of fresh baked cookies out of the oven. I also cooked a couple of
pies too. Anybody like pie? Am I welcome?
You see I am a very new poster, and I was a virgin poster to add to that.... You
snopesters are my first. And, for that I will always hold you so dear to my heart. Now I
don't have to mistakenly think you are meaning the cookies that attach themselves to your
computer when you mention cookies anymore. Oh, I feel all nice and fuzzy inside now.
Posts:
254 | From: California | Registered: Dec 2003 |
Seriously, the boards here seem to have dipped a bit into vulgar territory. I'm not a
prude or anything, but I was a bit shocked at the casual profanity I was seeing in some
posts. I don't remember that being the case at all back when I was posting regularly ages
ago.
I agree. When I first started
lurking here, and afterword started posting, I was impressed by the lack of swearwords
posted. The occasional NFBSK was posted but rarely a vulgarity. Seems to have picked up
somewhat. *shrug* I am not a power user or anything but I feel that I have been here long
enough to suggest the we all try to remember snopes and Barbra's basic rules of order.
Ranger "**** Not a sermon, just a thought" Dog
**** 20 points for the obscure, localized reference!!!!
Sounds like you are being a little
prudish here. I don't abuse the freedom to use vulgarities from time to time but I do use
them within reason and moderation. When it is appropiate.
I am offended when someone 'blanks' out relatively tame words like "bastard" or
even "damn". I refuse to say "the N word" or "the F word" as
a replacement for what they actually mean. "Most" Snopesters are mature enough
not to abuse the freedom for using profanities.
I have to respectfully disagree
with you, thebobo, and agree with MacHeath and RangerDog on this one. Not that your
posting is profane (I can't recall any of yours that have made my eyes water), but I do
think the board has slipped in terms of language used, and it is disappointing. And in my
opinion, most snopesters are mature *and creative* enough to get their point across
without the f-bomb, the n-bomb, or the EBMfH-bomb. Just my opinion, but I feel much better
when I know the "blue" stuff is only going to be in the NFBSK category, and not
totally "in your face".
On a different subject, am I the only person who imagines the EBMfH Clubhouse and the
Church of the Clueless as having gecko floor paintings?
In addition to the cookies, and tea - Stressa
-------------------- Pull up your pants, ladies and gents;
Please, act like you got some sense! - Andre 3000
Posts:
1525 | From: Washington, DC | Registered: Aug 2002 |
Originally posted by Lamuella: Judah, I promise. If I ever go batshit insane and quit this forum in a blaze of
epithet spitting glory, I'll give you a shout out in my ranting soliloquy.
I may even call you a cockass. How does that sound?
I would expect nothing less.
If you're really nice, I'll use
'manwhore' instead.
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No rest for the wicked. Not even the extremely wicked.
Posts:
1115 | From: WCW Special Forces | Registered: May 2003
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I'd like to pick that nit too, but
I can't think of a single male. Can you?
No, I can think of a couple. I
think, however, that generally the male attention getting ploys are in a different form.
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We will be travelling at six thousand miles per hour, at an altitude of three hundred
feet. ~~~~ aspiring stewardess, Catch Me If You Can
Posts:
4537 | From: Off the Beaten Path | Registered: Mar 2000
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Wow, who knew a flameout could
inspire a thread of such length? I confess to finding myself both shocked and awed.
Do any Snopesters with professional training in psychology, counseling, or the like know
if Munchausen-by-Internet is classed as a legitimate disorder yet? Seems like there should
be some sort of way of treating it. Of course, I don't suppose such people as Kyoko (or
any other confabulators) would be likely to actually tell their therapists they were
making up feel-bad stories to post online. (I would google for it before asking, but I'm
curious right now, and for some reason, the powers that be have blocked Google from office
computers!)
detroit "they're gonna be mad if we have to do work-related research!" minstrel
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Shouldn't the Toronto Maple Leafs be the Toronto Maple Leaves?
Originally posted by
detroitminstrel: Do any Snopesters with professional training in psychology, counseling, or the
like know if Munchausen-by-Internet is classed as a legitimate disorder yet? Seems like
there should be some sort of way of treating it. Of course, I don't suppose such people as
Kyoko (or any other confabulators) would be likely to actually tell their therapists they
were making up feel-bad stories to post online. (snip)
I was thinking yesterday that it
is an assumption that she was actually seeing a therapist. I know she said she did,
but heck....she said many things. How far does the confabulation go?
If there is a therapist in this situation, he or she is earning their pay - Stressa
-------------------- Pull up your pants, ladies and gents;
Please, act like you got some sense! - Andre 3000
Posts:
1525 | From: Washington, DC | Registered: Aug 2002 |
Posts like these make me ashamed
to be mentally ill. I have to be grouped in with those people. But I tend to think of
myself as quiet and mild-mannered. I don't think I've ever blown up on snopes. Okay, I
think I did once, but it was about something on another board, which I left without a
sound and never went back.
I sort of remember a few posters like this, but no names are coming to mind. I think I can
remember the one with the stalker, but I could be confusing her with a person who I used
to work with who was actually being stalked! (We had to get the two biggest guys in the
store to walk her out every night, and she actually had a restraining order from the
police, so she wasn't kidding.)
I didn't read most of the threads of confabulation, except the vet one. I was willing to
believe someone snapped while in the army - it happens. But sheesh, even my life isn't as
convoluted as all that. (I have a brother who lurks here, and I think we're on fairly good
terms. I've been to many concerts, some with men around, but never with a date, and
frankly I can't see myself "turning gay" if such a thing can happen. And my cat
is alive, well, overweight, and can be seen in the "kitty luv" thread.)
Sister "but I am an amateur author as well!" Ray
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"I never think that people die. They just go to department stores." --Andy
Warhol
[excerpts]
The risk exists not only that faulty information will be imparted unwittingly, but also
that cyberspace resources will be deliberately mis-used to garner attention and
nurturance. Such online behavior can be viewed as a manifestation of factitious disorder
or Munchausen by proxy (MBP). In these conditions, individuals willfully feign or induce
illness in themselves or in others, respectively. Their goal is emotional gratification
from commandeering the sick role. Instead of seeking care at numerous hospitals, these
individuals can now gain new audiences merely by clicking from one support group to
another. Under the pretense of illness, they can also join multiple groups simultaneously
or establish different personae on a single group. False claims of victimization have also
been conceptualized as a variant of factitious disorder or MBP. Fabricated reports of
stalking, assault, harassment, and sexual abuse have been described in which the motive
for the deceptions was mobilization of care and concern, and this manifestation has moved
onto the Internet as well. These claims often include elements of pseudologia fantastica,
in which one lies floridly about one's personal history, but in a manner that remains
compelling.
Table 1. Clues to the Detection of Factitious Internet Claims
*The posts consistently duplicate material in other posts, in text-books, or on
health-related websites.
*The length, frequency, and duration of the posts do not match the claimed severity of the
illness (eg, a detailed post from some-one claiming to be in septic shock).
*The characteristics of the supposed illness and its treatment emerge as caricatures based
on the individual's misconceptions.
*Near-fatal exacerbations of illness alternate with miraculous recoveries.
*Personal claims are fantastic, contradicted by later posts, or disproved (eg, a call to
the hospital reveals that there is no such patient).
*There are continual dramatic events in the person's life, especially when other group
members have become the focus of atten-tion (eg, as interest in one person started to wane
in her group, she announced that her mother had just been diagnosed as terminally ill as
well).
The individual complains that other group members are not sufficiently supportive and
warns that this insensitivity is undermining his/her health.
*The individual resists telephone contact, sometimes offering odd justifications (eg, it
would be so upsetting as to cause a medical catastrophe, or the telephone lines in the
building do not permit incoming calls) or making threats (eg, he/she will run away if
called).
*There is feigned blitheness about crises (eg, a cardiac arrest or assault) that will
predictably attract immediate attention.
*Others ostensibly posting on behalf of the individual (eg, family members) have identical
patterns of writing, such as grammatical errors, misspellings, and stylistic
idiosyncrasies.
Table 2. Common Reactions After Detection of FactitiousInternet Claims
Among individuals who have misled others:
*Protesting their innocence via email or telephone calls
*"Scapegoating" group members (eg, "If you had been more supportive, I
wouldn't have had to make up stories")
*Abruptly disappearing from the group, sometimes only to engagein the same behavior
elsewhere on the Internet
*Admitting to the behavior, but either refusing to apologize or claimingthat they cannot
explain the reasons for it
*Admitting to the behavior but castigating others for their naiveté
Among individuals who were misled:
*Splitting into camps of those believing and disbelieving the claims
*Remaining in the group to process feelings of anger, sadness, or shame
*Leaving the group in disgust
*Sending emails to the deceiver that express anger or sadness
8Seeking retribution (eg, by contacting the deceiver's apparent employer or college)
*Fantasizing about or attempting to arrange a face-to-face confrontation
*Fearing that the deceiver will misuse personal information that had been volunteered in
the past
*Feeling amused by the sophistication and audacity of the ruses
posted
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I must be missing something. I don't get it. 
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" bubba
But I'm not going mention names (and some I couldn't even
put a name with the posts if I tried). I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings or start any
flame wars. And like I said in my previous post, I would never openly confront anyone of
that sort of thing without proof. (Kyoko is an exception - she's opened herself up to any
and all shots with the OP, IMO.) 
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