Wow, Kathy, thanks! Very
interesting stuff. I've been witness to a few situations that could be attributed to
Munchausen by Internet.
Of course, now I'm examining my own behavior to see if I'm a little too much of an
attention hound. I don't try to create or enhance bad experiences to get sympathy or
attention, but I do have a tendency to dominate conversations (or at the very least steer
them so I can make a joke).
Mack da "I guess the excuse, 'But I'm an actor!' doesn't clear me of all
charges" Knife
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And verily, Allison the
Repentant did weep with joy to know that her ramblings may survive to guide other lost
souls to the light of the Holy Church of the Clueless.
Alli "still clueless after all these posts" son
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If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
Originally posted by
detroitminstrel: Do any Snopesters with professional training in psychology, counseling, or the
like know if Munchausen-by-Internet is classed as a legitimate disorder yet?
You called?
I do not believe that the most recent edition of the DSM-IV has Munchausen-by-Internet as
a disorder separate from the "classic" Munchausen disorder (which is technically
called "Factitious Disorder"). However, my DSM-IV is at home and a definitive
answer will have to wait until I'm back home.
Alli "not just clueless, but bookless as well" son
ETA: Kathy's info is great! But seems to be from a source external to the DSM-IV, unless I
am misreading it. Munchausen-by-Internet may be one of those disorders that gets added to
the next DSM-IV, or it may simply get classified as a variant of Factitious Disorder.
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If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
Originally posted by ElphabaFaye: Slightly OT, but can DarkDan add EBMfH to the Snopes dictionary? I like that one,
and it seems like it will stick around for a while.
Updated! I was thinking of adding
something like "To pull a Kyoto-to get fed up with everyone and call people
names", but I don't think that's in good taste.
Dark"I also added ETA"Dan
I know it's not good form to ask
for your own terms to be added, but could we add 'googlesnork', meaning gay marriage?
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1115 | From: WCW Special Forces | Registered: May 2003
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ETA: Kathy's info is great! But
seems to be from a source external to the DSM-IV, unless I am misreading it.
Munchausen-by-Internet may be one of those disorders that gets added to the next DSM-IV,
or it may simply get classified as a variant of Factitious Disorder.
No, it's not from DSM-IV. The
author is a psychiatrist who specializes in Munchausen disorders. The article is from a
peer reviewed journal, so I felt comfortable using it.
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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."
Mike Quear, US Congressional staffer
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3185 | From: Somewhere West of Laramie | Registered: Feb 2000
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If I ever doubt the "callings of the blood" [name that movie]...
Blues Brothers 2000!
-------------------- Quoda's Space. My friend's writing
project.
I ran up the door, closed the stairs, said my pajamas and put on my prayers, turned off
the bed and hopped into the light, all because you kissed me goodnight.
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189 | From: Illinois, United States | Registered: Apr 2003
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Originally posted by Country Kyo
Buffet: they're going to get all thier snopes friends together and gang up on people
AND ANOTHER THING....
I don't even HAVE any Snopes friends.
Jeez, this whole thing has really gotten to me....I think I'll post a huge dramatic thread
about it, in fact.
Fyre"sorry, I couldn't resist"girl
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"I make him better, Humperdinck suffers?"
"Humiliations galore."
"Now THAT, sonny, is a noble cause. Give me the 65, I'm on the job!"
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311 | From: Connecticut | Registered: May 2003 |
long debate in another thread as
to whether the opposition of some to gay marriage would be removed if it were called
something other than 'marriage'. I suggested googlesnork and many agreed. That was all.
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No rest for the wicked. Not even the extremely wicked.
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1115 | From: WCW Special Forces | Registered: May 2003
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Originally posted by Gayle: I can only speak for myself, but for me it was definitely a case of “Oh, no,
not again.” It seems like about once a year we get a poster who exhibits the
quickly-becoming-classic symptoms of Munchausen by Internet
We’ve had more than one (purportedly) young adult/teenage girl who would begin with
simple requests for advice which quickly became drama fests with all sorts of persecutions
and misfortunes.
I was fascinated to read there is
an actual clinical term for the syndrome. I have thought for a while that it wasn't all
that uncommon, but an actual diagnosis.....
This is my one and only post to this thread, by the way. I seldom read this forum,
preferring to stick with the more political threads (and the photos and military). I don't
really have the time or interest in participating in the entertainment-related threads. I
just sort of stumbled onto this thread.
As one of the "mentioned" in the OP, I feel I should explain my perception of
this deal (as if anyone would care...). I have been a bit rough on her lately, admittedly.
I started being that way right after she deliberately mis-spelled my screen name (as she
did in the OP, BTW). That was the point where I figured she was either totally bereft of
common sense, deliberately trying to insult and inflame, or just a troll.
I had never read any of the threads you have all linked, like the cat thing, or the
concert abandonment. Now that I glance at them, I am glad I didn't see them sooner; I
would most likely have been harsher still.
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Dofwai - Still fighting for your right to be wrong - just not sure about the "to the
death" part.
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1638 | From: In front of my PC | Registered: Feb 2001
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Originally posted by Casey, in the
study, with the ninja: [...]Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the Valley of bad ULs, I shall fear
no rumors. Thy MB and PM, they comfort me, they soothe my soul. Thy makest for me a cookie
in the presence of mine enemies, my keyboard runneth over. Yea, goodness and knowledge
shall follow me all the rest of my life.[...]
Damn, that's good.
What can I say? The 23rd Psalm and
the CotC just seemed to blend together neatly. Now, to grab those cookies, my good suit,
and head off the Church for proper Clueless worship.
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By the time you read this, you'll have already read it.
Originally posted by the original
Warlok: [...] Whee - and with great joy, hands were flung in the air, sending forth great
gouts of cookies (except one reverently handed to Chrisopher). [...]
A cookie! Someone gave me a ...
D'oh! Bad dog! Bad Clueless!
Originally posted by Country Kyo
Buffet: Ok,
[WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Deleted]
It's not worth what you people set my therapy back to keep coming here.
I win.
Although, like Judah, I am offended at not being mentioned. I was clearly one of her
strongest adversaries.
You know, in one of her earliest "get to know me" threads, Kyoko referred to
herself as (I'm paraphrasing here) "one of the stupident people on Earth, prone to
shooting my mouth off when I don't know what I'm talking about."
In this, at least, she was eventually proven correct.
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"The best defense is not a good offense. The best defense is a terrifyingly accurate
and devastatingly powerful offense, with multiply-overlapping kill zones and
time-on-target artillery strikes." -- Laurence
Originally posted by Lamuella: long debate in another thread as to whether the opposition of some to gay marriage
would be removed if it were called something other than 'marriage'. I suggested
googlesnork and many agreed. That was all.
Oh, ok. Thanks. It didn't sound
flattering, is why I asked.
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Explore, enjoy and protect the planet
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5837 | From: Michigan | Registered: Mar 2000 |
Ya know, if one person has a problem with you it's their problem. If several people have a
problem with you, you need to check yourself.
I'm not sure where this proverb
comes from, but it is a good one:
"If three people say, 'You're drunk!', go lie down."
I believe Nonny posted a
story/fable once about an elephant(?) and a donkey(?) that illustrated the concept
perfectly. I can't find the thread, or remember the details very well, but I do remember
thinking that it made the point very well.
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459 | From: The Land of Beer & Cheese | Registered: Sep 2002
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Read the weird cat thread. If I
had read it before this, I'd still go "Oh, come on." I like to believe people
are telling the truth. Sometimes they aren't, though.
Sister "it can be hard to tell" Ray
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"I never think that people die. They just go to department stores." --Andy
Warhol
Originally posted by Christie:
Ed. Oh I also responded in the profane laced one where she was supposed to bring her
wayward brother and her parents back together. That was the last straw one for me, it
sounded so much like a chapter in a novel that she was writing and was trying out on us
for our reactions.
Oh wow -- I'd forgot that one.
Actually, here's where I get to don my own gullible hat, because I never suspected that
one was false. Of course, that was probably the first post of hers that I'd ever read (I
didn't even realise that was her until you said so), so I had no reason to think there was
anything more suspect than a person making their family life entirely too complicated
(also, I know another Asian girl who has similar family problems who is not a
confabulator, so I probably thought it was a cultural thing -- :Cato smacks own hand:)
I thought the whole OP in that
thread was so contrived it read like a story from Seventeen (do they still print stories?
but I digress). That was the thread that really sounded like classic Drama Queen to me and
the one time where IIRC I really questioned her version of events.
Actually I think one of the reasons this thread has gotten so long is so many of us really
did have our doubts about Kyoko but were more than generous to her. Even when we stopped
responding in her more personal threads we didn't post any "liar liar pants on
fire" responses.
She should be glad. I've been on a few message boards that got absolutely brutal when we
suspected someone was pulling the Pity Me chain.
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Sir Winston Churchill
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3560 | From: Canada | Registered: Nov 2001 |
This long thread seems to me to be
a lot like the end of the Capra classic It's A Wonderful Life, but in reverse. Like
Jimmy Stewart's character in the movie, the person who started this thread was largely
taken for granted until people realized what life would be like if they were gone. If,
instead of what happened at the end of the movie, the whole town of Bedford Falls had
shown up at George Bailey's house to let him know how much of a douche-bag they always
thought he was, I think the scene would look a lot like this. I only hope that I can get
this many people to cheerfully give me the finger on the occasion of my own bulletin board
self-immolation.
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"Ed: What I'm tryin' to say is that, Wilma, as soon as Nordburg is better, he's
welcome back at Police Squad."
"Frank: Unless he's a drooling vegetable. But I think that's only common sense."
-The Naked Gun
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994 | From: Washington St | Registered: Nov 2002 |
Just popped in to say bye to Kyoko
(or whatever her name is). I started skipping her posts a long time ago. I wanted to say I
noticed that I have not brought an offering to the Church lately so I dug out my recipe
for Koulourea cookies and made a batch. Real Greek Cookies, shaped like a figure eight.
Everybody fling up your hands and enjoy!
skrap
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The Quiet One
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723 | From: Colorado | Registered: Oct 2000 |
Does anyone have the link to the
thread where she said she was dumped by her boyfriend at a concert and also the
"attacked by a veteran" thread? I can't find those. I had the cat story link
because I found the exact same story witten on an online journal that wasn't Kyoko's and
so I had bookmarked that thread.
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"This is my family. I found it all on my own. It's little & broken but still
good."
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870 | From: Orlando | Registered: Feb 2000 |
I believed the "attacked by a
veteran" story because I've been called Gook, Chink and Jap ETC.. & told go back
to my own country even here in "liberal" San Francisco
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734 | From: san francisco | Registered: Feb 2001 |
Originally posted by B Hamilton: Does anyone have the link to the thread where she said she was dumped by her
boyfriend at a concert and also the "attacked by a veteran" thread? I can't find
those. I had the cat story link because I found the exact same story witten on an online
journal that wasn't Kyoko's and so I had bookmarked that thread.
Was it something that actually
happened to the writer or creative fiction? Just curious.
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-Astra
This has been yet another... USELESS POST.
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3835 | From: The lab of Starcraft and Twizzlers | Registered: Sep
2001 |
Originally posted by B Hamilton: Does anyone have the link to the thread where she said she was dumped by her
boyfriend at a concert and also the "attacked by a veteran" thread? I can't find
those. I had the cat story link because I found the exact same story witten on an online
journal that wasn't Kyoko's and so I had bookmarked that thread.
I found the crazed Vietnam vet one. Couldn't come up with the other one -
IIRC, it was a very early Kyoko post, maybe June 2003-ish?
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459 | From: The Land of Beer & Cheese | Registered: Sep 2002
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I'm lost kyo anyhow I've been told
to fuck off on this board & I've told others to fuck off, its a message board,like any
other,Shit Happens..... don't take it so seriously.
That's all I can say caz I don't know WTF the prob. is........
And everyone else excuse my use of profanity on a message board.
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all Canadian provinces
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1158 | From: In a permanent state of psychosis near Toronto & Eastern PA
| Registered: Oct 2001 |
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This isn't just the joy of freedom, or of being fully alive, but the piercing joy that
comes with the awareness of that holy,playful Presence.
Dean Koontz
RAM DISK is NOT an installation procedure!
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768 | From: One Door Away From Heaven | Registered: Nov 2002
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Could someone post the concert,
cat, and brother one? All this talk has gotten me curious.
Mouse the "I've read the vet one." Louse
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Remember no matter how many Tootsie Rolls you have, you should fear bears. They're
nature's fish-slapping tanks--they're not going massage your nipples and lead you to the
gingerbread butterscotch meadow.
The "being dumped on
stage" thread is here.
I read all her confabulist threads and and refused to post on any of them. I hate to say
it, but I was annoyed that others were so sympathetic. Not by the sympathizers, but by her
OTT stories and obvious screams for attention, whether it be a sob story or gratuitous use
of profanity.
Originally posted by hambubba
doesn't have this: I dunno if anybody has noticed, but the effort has failed. If she was trying to
get banned, it failed. Couldn't even pull that off.
What makes you say that? I'm
pretty sure that like with name changes, it takes a few days for the signs of a ban to
come into effect. A banned poster can no longer login or post, but we don't see their
member status and whatnot change for a few days.
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